Filed by Energy Transfer LP
pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933
Subject Company: Enable Midstream Partners, LP
Commission File No.: 001-36413
Date: August 3, 2021
TRANSCRIPT
The following is a transcript of the Energy Transfer LP (ET) quarterly earnings conference call held at 3:30 p.m. Central time on August 3, 2021. While every effort has been made to provide an accurate transcription, there may be typographical mistakes, inaudible statements, errors, omissions or inaccuracies in the transcript. ET believes that none of these is material.
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CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Thomas E. Long
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP
Marshall S. McCrea
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP
OTHER PARTICIPANTS
MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION SECTION
Operator: Greetings and welcome to Energy Transfer Second Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tom Long, Chief Financial Officer (sic) [Co-Chief Executive Officer]. Thank you. You may begin.
Thomas E. Long
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP
Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Energy Transfers second quarter 2021 earnings call, and thank you for joining us today. Im also joined today by Mackie McCrea and other members of our senior management team, who are here to help answer your questions after our prepared remarks. Hopefully, you saw our press release we issued earlier this afternoon, as well as the slides posted to our website.
As a reminder, we will be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Security (sic) [Securities] Exchange Act of 1934. These statements are based on our current beliefs, as well as certain assumptions and information currently available to us, and are discussed in more detail in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2021 which we expect to be filed this Thursday, August 5. Ill also refer to adjusted EBITDA and distributable cash flow, or DCF, all of which are non-GAAP financial measures. Youll find a reconciliation of our non-GAAP measures on our website.
Id like to start today by looking at some of our second quarter highlights. We generated adjusted EBITDA of $2.6 billion and DCF attributable to the partners of ET, as adjusted, of $1.4 billion. Our excess cash flow after distributions was approximately $980 million. On an incurred basis, we had excess DCF of approximately $625 million, after distributions of $414 million, and growth capital of approximately $355 million. The increased results over the second quarter of 2020 were primarily due to higher earnings in the midstream, intrastate, and NGL and refined products segments.
Switching gears to an update on the acquisition of Enable Midstream Partners, which will provide increased scale in the Mid-Continent and Ark-La-Tex regions and improve connectivity for our natural gas and NGL transportation customers, in May, the acquisition was approved by Enable unitholders, and the only remaining condition to closing is obtaining HSR clearance.
The FTC has issued request for additional information and documentary material, commonly known as second request, which extended the HSR waiting period. Energy Transfer and Enable are working diligently to provide the relevant information to the FTC and have engaged in constructive dialogue with them throughout this process. We continue to believe that the FTC will grant unconditional clearance of the transaction, and then we will close the transaction in the second half of 2021.
Ill now walk you through recent developments on our major growth projects, and well start with our Cushing to Nederland pipeline. In early June, we commenced joint tariff service to provide crude oil transportation from our Cushing Terminal to our Nederland Terminal. This project also provides the capability to deliver Powder River and DJ Basin barrels to our Nederland terminal via an upstream connection with our White Cliffs Pipeline. We are now capable of transporting approximately 65,000 barrels per day of oil from the DJ Basin and Cushing area to Nederland, and were seeing a steady growth in volumes. The first phase of this project is fully contracted, with a large majority of those contracts coming from third-party shippers.
In addition to customer demand, we are moving forward with Phase II of this project, which will increase the capacity to 120,000 barrels per day. Phase II is expected to be in service in the first quarter of 2022 and is underpinned by third party commitments. Minimal capital spend is required for this project.
Next, construction of the Ted Collins Link is progressing and we continue to expect it to be in service in the fourth quarter of 2021. Upon initial completion, this project will provide crude oil transportation up to 150,000 barrels per day from West Texas in Nederland to our Houston Terminal, which can be expanded to 300,000 barrels per day.
Now looking to Dakota Access, in May, the DC District Court denied the plaintiffs motion for an injunction to shut down Dakota Access, and thereafter, dismissed the plaintiffs lawsuit against the Army Corps. We continue to cooperate with the Army Corps in their preparation of the environmental impact statement. We recently placed the next phase of incremental capacity for the Bakken Pipeline optimization project into service, which is supported by minimum volume commitments from long-term customers. With completion of this phase of the optimization, Dakota Access now has the ability to flow approximately 750,000 barrels per day.
Lets take a look at Mariner East system. Second quarter 2021 NGL volumes through the Mariner East pipeline system increased approximately 15% over the second quarter of 2020. Our Pennsylvania Access project, which will allow refined products to flow from the Midwest supply regions into Pennsylvania, New York and other markets in the Northeast, is ready for service when markets dictate. We now expect the next significant phase of the Mariner East projects to be in service in the third quarter of 2021 and the final phase of the Mariner East pipeline is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter of 2021. Today, we are seeing demand exceed our current throughput capacity, which will allow us to begin utilizing additional capacity, as our next phase of Mariner East is brought online later this year.
Now, a brief update on our Nederland Terminal, during the second quarter, we completed the remaining expansions of our LPG facilities at Nederland. With the addition of our LPG and ethane expansions completed in late 2020 and early 2021, we are now capable of exporting approximately 700,000 barrels per day of NGLs from our Nederland Terminal. And when combined with our export capabilities from our Marcus Hook Terminal, as well as our Mariner West pipeline, which exports more than 55,000 barrels per day of ethane to Canada, our total NGL export capacity is now over 1.1 million barrels per day, which is among the largest in the world. In fact, in May and June, we exported more NGLs than any other company or country in the world, with our daily throughput averaging over 850,000 barrels per day in June. We see an increasing need for products in markets beyond North America, and we are striving to meet this need with our growing export business.
At our expanded Nederland Terminal, volumes have continued to increase throughout the first half of this year, and we expect them to continue to increase throughout the remainder of 2021. And export volumes under our Orbit ethane export joint venture have seen strong growth. Through June, we loaded more than 9 million barrels of ethane out of this facility since placing it into service.
Our Permian Bridge project, which will connect our gathering and processing assets in the Delaware Basin with our GMP assets in the Midland Basin, is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter of 2021. This project will allow us to move approximately 115,000 Mcf per day of rich gas out of the Midland Basin and operate existing capacity more efficiently, while also providing access to additional takeaway options. This project is a good example of how we can preserve capital spend, as we strategically look for ways to optimize, repurpose and expand our assets to provide us with competitive advantages.
Lastly, in July, we announced the signing of a memorandum of understanding with the Republic of Panama to study the feasibility of jointly developing a proposed Trans-Panama Gateway Pipeline. The project would include terminals on the Pacific and Atlantic side of Panama to be connected by a pipeline for the receipt, transportation, and export of LPGs to international markets. This project would provide relief for the increasing traffic of VLGCs through the Panama Canal and provide high volume Pacific loading optionality for customers in Asia.
Now, for an update on our alternative energy activities, since we announced the creation of an alternative energy group in February, we have continued to focus on renewable energy projects. In this regard, we have finalized a second long-term power purchase agreement for 120 megawatts of solar power that we expect to sign after receipt of regulatory approval. Were also continuing to explore several opportunities for solar and wind projects on our existing acreage in the Northeast and recently signed an agreement with a large utility company to jointly pursue solar and wind development on an energy transfer track in Kentucky.
On the carbon capture front, our Marcus Hook project continues to look promising based on preliminary cost estimates and design feasibility studies. This project would involve capturing CO2 from the flue gas and delivering it to customers who would produce food-grade CO2. Were also pursuing two carbon projects near our systems, one involving the capture of CO2 from processing plants for use and enhanced oil recovery and the second for a carbon utilization project.
Were also reviewing potential equity investment in a variety of projects including biogas and biodiesel projects that would qualify for low carbon fuel standard credits as long as they satisfy our economic return criteria. Our engineering and operations teams are constantly working to explore ways to reduce emissions across our facilities. And as weve discussed previously, our dual drive compressors continue to win environmental awards for reducing CO2 emissions by utilizing their ability to run off electric power as well as natural gas. An important distinction for our dual drive compressors versus all electric compressors is that dual drive helps grid reliability as the electric demand can be volatile, especially in some remote areas of operation.
In addition, we have significantly ramped up our exports of butane, propane, and ethane for power generation. Theyre in many cases displaces diesel, wood and animal-waste naphtha and other fuels which provide for a significant reduction of CO2 emissions.
Finally, we expect to publish ESG data on the Energy Infrastructure Council and GPA Midstream ESG template in the near future. And were also continued to address various inaccuracies in third-party ESG reports due to a lack of effort by certain third parties to discover and report accurate information.
Now, lets take a closer look at our second quarter results. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $2.6 billion compared to $2.4 billion for the second quarter of 2020. DCF attributable to the partners, as adjusted, was $1.4 billion for the second quarter compared to $1.3 billion for the second quarter of 2020. The increased results were primarily driven by improved earnings in the midstream, intrastate, and NGL and refined products segments. On July 22, we announced a quarterly cash distribution of $0.1525 for common unit or $0.61 on an annualized basis. This distribution will be paid on August 19 to unitholders of record as of the close of business on August 6.
Turning to our results by segment, well start with the NGL and refined products segment. Our adjusted EBITDA was $736 million compared to $674 million the same period last year. This was primarily due to higher export volumes feeding our Nederland Terminal increased throughput on our Mariner East pipeline and at our Marcus Hook Terminal, as well as increased storage and fractionation and refinery services margin.
NGL transportation volumes on our wholly owned and joint venture pipelines increased to 1.7 million barrels per day compared to 1.4 million barrels per day for the same period last year. This increase was primarily due to increased export volumes feeding into our Nederland Terminal from the initiation of service on our propane and ethane export projects as well as increased volumes on our Mariner East pipeline system.
On our fractionators, average fractionated volumes was 833,000 barrels per day compared to 836,000 per day for the second quarter of 2020. Since the end of the second quarter, transportation and fractionation volumes have continued to increase.
For our crude oil segment, adjusted EBITDA was $484 million compared to $519 million for the same period last year. This was primarily due to lower average tariff rates on our Texas crude oil pipeline system, as well as decrease in our crude oil acquisition and marketing business. We did see higher volumes on our Bakken and Bayou Bridge pipelines which have improved from the lows of last year. We have now seen the majority of the major contract roll-offs on our Permian Express system and well look to capture better margins going forward as the market improves.
For midstream, adjusted EBITDA was $477 million compared to $367 million for the second quarter of 2020. This was largely the result of favorable NGL and natural gas prices, as well as volume growth across most of our regions and the ramp-up of recently completed assets in the Northeast.
Gathered gas volumes were 13.1 million MMBtus per day compared to 13 million MMBtus per day for the same period last year due to higher volumes in the Permian, Ark-La-Tex, South Texas and North Texas regions as they continue to improve from low same last year. Permian Basin volumes have remained strong and Midland Inlet volumes continue to be at or near record highs.
In our interstate segment, adjusted EBITDA was $331 million compared to $403 million for the second quarter of 2020 primarily due to contract expirations on Tiger and FEP as well as a shipper bankruptcy on Tiger, partially offset by an increase in transported volumes on Rover.
And for our intrastate segment, adjusted EBITDA was $224 million compared to $187 million in the second quarter of last year. This was primarily due to demand volume ramp-ups in the Permian and an increase in retained fuel revenues, as well as a $39-million increase from revenues related to Winter Storm Uri.
There is no doubt that Uri created much more demand for our pipeline and storage network and we are seeing this reflected in incoming calls and discussions with existing and new customers who are looking to lock in firm transport and/or storage agreements.
Now, turning to our 2021 adjusted EBITDA guidance. We continue to expect a full year adjusted EBITDA to be between $12.9 billion to $13.3 billion excluding any contribution from the announced Enable acquisition. And moving to a growth capital update for the six months ended June 30, 2021, Energy Transfer spent $715 million on organic growth projects primarily in the NGL and refined products segment excluding SUN and USA compression CapEx. The full year 2021, we continue to expect growth capital expenditures to be approximately $1.6 billion primarily in the NGL and refined products, midstream, and crude oil segments.
We continue to focus on aligning capital outlay with customer needs and remain disciplined in regard to all spending. Any new projects are primarily expected to be focused on improving optionality around our existing assets. And for 2022 and 2023, we continue to expect spend of approximately $500 million to $700 million per year.
Now, looking briefly at our liquidity position. As of June 30, 2021, total available liquidity under revolving credit facility was approximately $5 billion and our leverage ratio was 3.14 for our credit facility. During the second quarter, we utilized cash from operations and proceeds from a $900 million Series H preferred unit offering to reduce our outstanding debt by approximately $1.5 billion. And year-to-date, we have reduced our long-term debt by $5.2 billion. And in May of this year, S&P and Moodys affirmed our credit ratings of BBB minus and Baa3 respectively and both revised our outlook to stable from negative. In addition in April, we removed a layer of organizational complexity with the roll-off of Energy Transfer Operating Company into Energy Transfer.
During the second quarter, we continued to see improved fundamentals and the completion of our NGL expansions at Nederland has positioned us as one of the leading exporters of NGLs in the world. We expect our LPG and ethane export projects at our Nederland Terminal to further ramp-up throughout the rest of this year.
Capital discipline and deleveraging continue to be among our top priorities and we continue to paydown debt in the second quarter. We remain committed to maintaining and improving our investment grade rating. And we will look to return additional capital to unitholders in the form of unit buybacks and/or distribution increases with the mix dependent upon our analysis of market conditions at the time.
We also continue to explore development of alternative energy projects and opportunities to reduce our environmental footprint. Some of which are looking very promising and we hope to be announcing additional projects shortly.
Operator, please open the line up for our first question.
QUESTION AND ANSWER SECTION
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Shneur Gershuni with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Shneur Z. Gershuni | ||
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC |
Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Maybe to start off just given all that comments you made about capital allocation and so forth. When I sort of think about your guidance for this year, all the debt that you paid off during the most recent quarter, the recent preferred offering as well too, it sort of suggests that youd be below your 4.5 target for leverage in the third or fourth quarter of this year. What are your priorities in terms of returning capital to unitholders? Just sort of looking at current trading levels, does buybacks become the priority or is there some other things that youre considering?
Thomas E. Long | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Good afternoon, Shneur. Definitely appreciate the question here. As you know, weve got the four different options that we look at. Were very excited that weve been able to pay off as much as we have this year with the $5.2 billion. Were still not providing guidance as to exactly timing from that standpoint. But I will say that debt has clearly been our focus at this point. But I will say the distribution and/or unit buybacks as well as the CapEx, were going to continue to look at it from an economic standpoint as to what makes sense.
But its great to be in this position and have this question right now. So, keep in mind that not putting it in any one order but we clearly had the debt as the top and weve made great progress on that. So, you can appreciate the distribution and unit buyback as we worked diligently to stay very disciplined on the CapEx front.
Shneur Z. Gershuni | ||
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC |
That makes sense, and maybe thats a good transition to my follow-up question. Youve sort of maintained the growth capital outlook for both 2022 and 2023 in $500 million to $700 million per year. I recognize that a lot of that is kind of in the FID bucket already. Kind of interested in the sort of the discussion you had in your prepared remarks, you talked about a bunch of different carbon capture projects that you were looking at, some of sequestrations, some of in oil recovery, and so forth. Are those projects also included in kind of that outlook that you have for the next two years in CapEx? If not, do you have a sense around the price tag on that? And so and how we could think it could potentially move as you move to FID on those types of projects?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yes, Shneur. This is Mackie. As we have expressed, Tom Mason and his team are leading, were looking at a lot of stuff around ESG. And as we have said, anything that makes sense economic sense on rate of return, were going to pursue it. Right now, there is really nothing on the horizon that has any kind of significant material capital cost to it that were looking at any [ph] mysterious (23:35) way.
For example, weve made the announcements on the solar front. Were not investing anything. Were just a buyer of inexpensive electricity. Some of these other carbon capture projects that were looking at arent going to require a lot of capital and/or the partner that were teaming up with will provide more of the capital.
So, right now, we dont have really anything in there materially and we even have a little bit of a cushion to help grow our midstream business as these rigs begin and have started moving in and as part of gathering opportunities and things like that. So, no, we dont have much in there at all from a cost standpoint for ESG project.
Shneur Z. Gershuni | ||
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC |
Okay. Really appreciate it. Ill respect the two questions, but I have a ton more, so Ill jump back in the queue. Thank you and have a great afternoon.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jean Ann Salisbury with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.
Jean Ann Salisbury | ||
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC |
Hi. With the DAPL expansion being up, are you seeing or expecting more flows? Or since theres excess pipeline out of the Bakken, should we think of it more like new MBCs will start so youll get paid, but we may not see the flows right away?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Its Mackie again. Yes, we have seen for August this significant increase in nominations and were seeing the
flows begin. And also, yes, your question around MBC, the MBC is on the optimization commitment did kick in August 1.
Jean Ann Salisbury | ||
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC |
Perfect. Thanks. And then as you noted the interstate segment was down sequentially due to contract expirations on Tiger and Fayetteville pretty materially. Is that kind of the end of the original contract? I think maybe theres a little theres one more in Fayetteville Express next year. But for this year, is there any more expiration coming in the back half or is this kind of the new base?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Were seeing the bottoms. As you mentioned, theres one small one FEP next year at the end of this year, but now were kind of 10 years passed by pretty quickly and we are. But were seeing so much growth around some of these pipelines in North Louisiana and excited about being able to move a lot of that gas out really both ways. But also out in back into Texas into our [ph] intrastate (25:55) system. So we believe weve seen the bottom of the barrel there. Well see more growth.
Quick example around interstates, we recently have sold out the vast majority of our capacity from West Texas to California through our TW system for the next two years at max tariff rate. Not sure [ph] why (26:13) we got a company come in that believes the value for gas in California must be going the way up. So, were seeing some positives and we said that a while around Transwestern well where when contracts roll off, we actually add new contracts at higher fees. So, there are some pluses also the interstates are more seasonal. This is not a the second quarter is not a half throughput necessarily for our interstate system. But we do pretty much see upside from here.
Jean Ann Salisbury | ||
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC |
Great. Thanks so much.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Keith Stanley with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.
Keith Stanley | ||
Analyst, Wolfe Research LLC |
Hi. Good afternoon. Maybe I could follow up on Enables just on feedback and questions youve gotten from the FTCs, anything been surprising to date or is the process been as expected? And just want to confirm next steps in the process. It sounds like you still have to respond to their second request. Is that right?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yeah. This is Mackie again. Thats correct. We are responding to their second request. Were a little surprised. We thought that after extending it 30 more days from the initial 30 days that we would resolve all their questions and issues. But we remain confident that we will be closing in the not too distant future. And weve been and well continue to be very cooperative with FTC and feel well be able to get to finish line sooner than later.
Keith Stanley | ||
Analyst, Wolfe Research LLC |
Great. Separate question, just on the crude segment. So, crude EBITDA was down year-over-year and thats from second quarter of 2020.You mentioned that youre hoping things are kind of close or I guess, should we think of this as close to a bottom for that segment? I think there was a reference to the majority as the contracts now rolling off. So, should we think of EBITDA in crude is bottoming and is there anything that can kind of turn that segment around?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yeah, this is Mackie again. Well, actually, the segment has been turned around. We gave an example on majority of our pipelines. We were about 2.5 million barrels a day pre-pandemic and were back up to about 50,000 barrels less than that. So, our volumes have recovered to almost 95% to 98% from where they were. These are the volumes across Texas and now the Bakken.
So, a lot of really good things happened in the crude as far as volumes. We cant really control the spreads. The spreads were part of the quarter, widened out a little bit. Theyve narrowed; they kind of go back and forth. Its clearly a fact. Theres too much crude capacity across Texas. So we continue to look at repurposing things and also providing more value than just point A to point B through our systems. But our crude team has done a fantastic job. You start in January till now, weve added about 500,000 barrels a day to 600,000 barrels a day of crude [indiscernible] (29:15) we didnt have the beginning of this year, albeit at much tighter spreads and margins than what we saw a year, year and a half ago. But we can only control what we can gather and transport for customers and the spread will be what theyll be.
So and I guess final or to complete the question, yeah, we thought were kind at the bottom. We think that were going to continue to keep our volumes where they are or grow. We, of course, have kicked in the MBCs for optimization project, thats new revenues that are coming in. So, similar to interstate, which the two most struggling segments youll hit on, all the others, please ask about, were pretty excited about those now and the future. But anyway we similar to interstate, we feel like well be at the bottom and everythings kind of up from here.
Keith Stanley | ||
Analyst, Wolfe Research LLC |
Thank you very much.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Pearce Hammond with Simmons Energy. Please proceed with your question.
Pearce Hammond | ||
Analyst, Simmons Energy |
Yeah. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. My first is two years ago you announced the office in Beijing and not just to build business in China, but also throughout Asia, and you highlighted earlier the success youre having with the Orbit JV. So, Im just curious, whats your line of sight to other opportunities in Asia for Energy Transfer? And how do you see that market evolving over the next two years?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Its Mackie again. We are extremely excited. The pandemic really put a kind of a pause on not only LPG and ethane but also crude. It kind of slowed everything down and everything, as everybody knows the economy
around the world especially in the US. But China is coming back. We have pages of companies that were talking to, different sizes for both ethane and LPG, expansion projects. We very much expect over the next year, if not sooner, within six months to get to FID or another expansion whether its at Marcus Hook or at the Nederland, weve always kind of been proud of the fact that were the only company in the country that can export both from the Gulf Coast and from Nederland infrastructure I mean Gulf Coast and from Marcus Hook. And were able to structure and negotiate these deals with a lot of these Chinese companies and give them that option, but also give us the option, which makes our assets more reliable and gives both of those terminals significant benefit.
So, thats a long winded answer to yes, its picked up in a big way. Were in conversations with numerous companies in China as well as many others around the world, and we couldnt be more excited about what weve done from the export buildout capacity for ethane and LPG and crude oil, for that matter, and where the future is going to be the around the world. Were exceptionally well-situated to meet the market demands in future.
Pearce Hammond | ||
Analyst, Simmons Energy |
Well. Thank you, Mackie for that. And then my follow-up pertains to the Panama announcement. I know its super early, but just curious from a high level what do you see Energy Transfer bring in to Panama? What would be the advantages to energy transfer just for high level thoughts on what could be in the country?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yeah. Were really excited about that. What a great group of people. Everybody weve met with their in the government has been just a pleasure to work with. And were real excited about where all thats gone. What do we bring to the table? If you look back over just the last, not that many years, weve gone from kind of nothing, to now, as you heard on Toms remarks, the export of NGLs in the world. So that kind of says something, just to make a statement about the two terminals that we have. And what this terminal provides is the Country of Panama to benefit from moving barrels that are much in need throughout the world to the Pacific side of their country and become a major hub for the Asian markets, as well as for the South American market. So, we bring the expertise. We bring we will be able to bring the barrels. Were going be able to operate really, in effect, four terminals, a hub on the Atlantic side, Pacific side, and the two that we have today. So, were very excited. As you mentioned, in the very early part of this, we look forward to where this is going and hopefully getting there by the not too distant future.
Pearce Hammond | ||
Analyst, Simmons Energy |
Thank you, Mackie.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Jeremy Tonet | ||
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC |
Hi. Good afternoon. Just wanted to start off with the EBITDA guidance, if I could, here because it seems like youve already completed a good portion of it, over half, year-to-date. And so, I was just wondering if theres something that youre expecting to show up in the back half of the year that would be a headwind relative to the beginning of the year or anything else to think of here. Is it really just kind of conservatism with not raising the guide at this point? Just trying to understand drivers within the range a bit better.
Thomas E. Long | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Listen, Ill start off with it. Good afternoon, Jeremy. We think our guidance is really down the middle of the fairway, the $12.9 billion to $13.3 million. And youre right, weve had a great start to the year with the first six months. But when you really look at it and you kind of look at the forward curves that weve used for the pricing, which we stayed right in line with that for all the various commodities, and youve heard Mackie talk a lot about the volumes, et cetera, thats the reason why we kept the range a little bit wider. But once again, we feel very good about this. We dont really feel like theres any headwinds on this. Were very excited about the next the last half of the year, the next two quarters.
And I dont know, Im looking at Mackie to see if hed like to add anything more to the answer here, but we do feel very good. We do not see headwinds.
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yeah. I guess what Ill add is not kind of a joke to me to go about or no questions yet around midstream or intrastate or NGLs, but were so excited about what were seeing. We said it last time. The rigs are moving in.
Theyre moving in in a big way. Weve seen our volumes in our midstream just in the first quarter of this year and the second quarter of this year go up by 8%. And if you look at just the Permian alone, its up 15%. So, were extremely well-situated to where these rigs are. As everybody knows, you bring the gas to the plants and connect to these plants our residue intra and interstate systems and our NGL system.
So if you look at what kind of feeding into NGL system, both our Lone Star pipelines and our Mont Belvieu fracs, were now fracking about a little over 900,000 barrels a day. If you look back a year ago, when we first brought on Frac VII, I think we did about 920 or 930 barrels was our high. But thats a little misleading because when we brought on fracs with a bunch of NGLs and [indiscernible] (36:46) storage, so were kind of feeding from the field, from the plant, plus out of storage, its different today. Were filling our fracs today from the field, from the tailgate of all these plants. In fact, were actually injecting some [ph] high grade (37:00) into storage.
So, we the NGL segment is just unbelievably exciting. We cant say enough about our team and all the effort that we put together the end of 2022, beginning of 2021 around getting the Orbit project completed online and finalizing all this LPG growth, and boy, are we incredibly well-situated to benefit from that, all the way from the wellhead through the fracs and then onto the export market. So pretty excited about that, and that kind of helped feed into our EBITDA over the last half of the year.
Jeremy Tonet | ||
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC |
Got it. Thats really helpful there. And then, pivoting over here, it seems like a number of studies out there have talked about given the density of CO2 emissions off the Gulf Coast, theres really good opportunity for kind of a CO2 hub concept along Texas Gulf Coast, particularly as it relates to Houston there, between pet chem and heavy industry emissions. And just wondering over time, especially if these DC initiatives pass, it would support CCUS economics. What role do you see for ET here over time? And do you believe that CO2 storage sequestration is more of an offshore or onshore solution over time, just given the pros and cons of each side here?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
This is Mackie again. Well, first thing Ill say is that if you look kind of along the Gulf Coast, theres nobody that has more pipelines of all different sorts than us. So as we look to repurpose pipelines, if theres [ph] operatives to (38:32) repurpose and to move CO2 or blue gas from some of these industrials along the coast, theres nobody probably better situated than us. But were not really out chasing a, say, a CO2 sequestration project in the Gulf or out in Timbuktu. What were doing is looking at projects that are related to our assets and do what we can to work with third parties to figure out a way to either capture that or to process it or wherever the case may be. So as I mentioned earlier, Tom Mason has put a great team together. Were evaluating numerous opportunities. And well certainly move forward on those that make good economic sense.
Jeremy Tonet | ||
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC |
Got it. Thats helpful. Ill leave it there. Thanks.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Blum with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
Michael Blum | ||
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities LLC |
Thanks. Good afternoon. I wanted to ask on Mariner East 2, 2X. Now that youre just about less than two quarters away from finally getting this project fully done, Im wondering if you can give us some clarity in terms of how much the project ultimately cost, what the economics could look like, and would you expect to sign additional shippers up once the pipeline is fully up and running.
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Michael, Ill start, and if Tom wants to add anything. [ph] Cost a lot (39:52), Ill start with that, around the up the volumes, today, we can move about 220,000, 225,000 barrels. The next phase, which will be completed, we feel really good about sometime in September, it will put us north of 260,000, and by the end of the year, well be north of 280,000, possibly approaching 300,000 barrels a day. So, really excited about getting that whole franchise to the end zone.
There are youve got to kind of have the outlet and then the volumes come. The volumes were there. Theres enormous reserves of NGLs in the Marcellus and Utica. Theres nobody positioned to be able to get that out besides us. Every other outlet is kind of full. And so, we do have the opportunity to expand. Well be able to move about, as I said, about 280,000 to 300,000, but we can expand to 450,000 barrels by adding pumps. We also have enormous capability to increase our chilling and storage on the acreage we own there at Marcus Hook and also have enormous capability to expanding our dock capacity. So, were extremely well-situated to handle and to be the pipeline and provider of choice for all the barrels out of that basin, and were pretty excited that were almost there.
Michael Blum | ||
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities LLC |
Got it. Thank you. My other question was just on the Permian. Clearly, theres a lot of excess crude pipeline out of the Permian right now, and it seems like there will be need for natural gas another natural gas pipeline or an expansion at some point in the next couple of years. Just wondering if thats something a potential conversion of a crude line to natural gas is something that you would all look at or do you feel like your crude lines are basically full and its not the best use. Thanks.
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Michael, I think the best way well answer that is theres nothing uptake. So, we will continue to look at all of our pipeline assets to see if some other product would be more profitable and more efficient for our partnership. So right now, our team has done, as I mentioned earlier, a fabulous job of kind of recovering our volumes in a short period of time this year. We have a group, kind of a new group thats working diligently to continue the momentum. So, well see how things go. No doubt. The crude pipeline, the industry is so good at this, at overbuilding, and us and all of us have overbuilt, but we feel pretty good of where were at. We wish spreads were a little bit wider, but we will continue to analyze and look at every opportunity.
As far as gas, weve got the ability to move quite a bit of gas from West Texas. We have some of these contracts falling off in four or five years from now, some fairly significant volumes. So, we welcome everybody that is looking to expand are looking to secure space in 2024 or 2025 and want a new pipeline. We certainly can accommodate a new pipeline, but also can accommodate with capacity that well have available as well today. So anyway, well continue to look at everything. Whatever makes the most sense, well convert it or keep it in that service.
Michael Blum | ||
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities LLC |
Thank, Mackie.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Gabe Moreen with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.
Gabriel Moreen | ||
Analyst, Mizuho Securities USA LLC |
Hey. Good afternoon, everyone. Someone beat me to the Panama question, so I wont ask that one again. But maybe I can ask about the Enable FTC saga here, and I think youre surprised at getting so many requests. Just thinking from a bigger picture, if you think the FTC may be raising the bar here a little bit on consolidation, I dont know whether its an energy drill or just in general, do you think that changes your approach at all to future M&A or consolidation within the sector, which I think, as you mentioned in previous questions, too much capacity out there, which I think wed all agree is needed?
Marshall S. McCrea | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yeah. I can start and one of the Tom can follow-up, I guess. But I dont know how to characterize it. I guess Id say we did a lot of looking at this as we were announcing it and we just dont see any issues. Theres so much competition out there. Everywhere we look, they will have pipelines. We really dont see any issues. So, we were a little frustrated and disappointed with the second request. However, we do feel like were working very well with the FTC. Were doing what theyve asked. Theyre working with us around the timing. And so, right now, Id say were pretty confident, as we said earlier, that were going to provide them with everything that theyve asked for and that well be able to close in the not too distant future.
Thomas E. Long | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Hey. Ill chime in here. This is Tom. We still feel very strong that consolidation is the right path to go in the midstream space. Therefore, we wont let our foot off the gas pedal here. We think theres a lot of good drivers to bringing assets together, a lot of optimization that can be done. So yeah, no plans to really let off on our efforts toward consolidation.
Gabriel Moreen | ||
Analyst, Mizuho Securities USA LLC |
Got it. Thanks, Mackie. Thanks, Tom. And maybe a kind of a follow-up to that, you didnt mention M&A related to that as sort of a capital allocation option, although I assume it still would be an option. I think there were some media reports about potentially being interested in going downstream and looking at petrochemicals. So, Im just wondering if you can maybe comment on those on that. And then, maybe also related to another deal where the FTC has interfered, theres some interstate gas pipelines out there. I was wondering if those types of assets might be of interest even if they dont appear to offer any synergies to your existing asset base.
Thomas E. Long | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
All right. Why dont I start off with the first part of your question, then Ill [audio gap] (45:57) to Mackie for the second part. We are very much interested in moving downstream. We think thats a natural fit for all the things that weve talked about today, all the things that youve seen that weve been doing. We think its the perfect situation to or a natural situation, if you will, natural path for us to go down to look at look downstream. So yes, we are continuing to have dialogue and it is something that we remain very interested in.
Gabriel Moreen | ||
Analyst, Mizuho Securities USA LLC |
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Thomas E. Long | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
Yeah. Thank you, Gabe.
Operator: That concludes our question-and-answer session. Id like to hand it back to Tom Long for closing remarks.
Thomas E. Long | ||
Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director, Energy Transfer LP |
As always, we appreciate all of you joining us today. Thank you for your support. And we look forward to talking to you in the near future.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude todays teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.
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