e425
Filed by Energy Transfer Equity, L.P.
pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933
and deemed filed pursuant to Rule 14a-12 under the
Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Subject Company: Southern Union Company
Commission File No.: 1-06407
TRANSCRIPT
The following is a transcript of a conference call held by Energy Transfer Equity, L.P. (the
Partnership) and Southern Union Company (SUG) at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time on June 16, 2011.
While every effort has been made to provide an accurate transcription, there may be typographical
mistakes, inaudible statements, errors, omissions or inaccuracies in the transcript. The
Partnership believes that none of these inaccuracies are material. A replay of the recorded
conference call will be accessible for a limited time through the Partnerships web site at
www.energytransfer.com.
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Operator
Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Energy Transfer Equity/Southern Union
conference call. My name is Keisha and I will be your coordinator for today. At this time all
participants have been placed on listen-only mode. Following the presentation we will open the call
for a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions).
I will now turn the call over to Martin Salinas, the CFO of Energy Transfer Partners. You may
proceed.
Martin Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Thank you Keisha and good morning everyone. We are pleased that you joined us today to discuss this
exciting announcement that ETE has acquired, has agreed to acquire Southern Union Company. With me
from Energy Transfer is Kelcy Warren, the Chairman and CEO of ETP; John McReynolds, President and
CFO of ETE; Jerry Langdon, ETPs Chief Compliance Officer, and other members of our senior
management team. Also here with us from Southern Union Company are George Lindemann, the Chairman
and CEO; Eric Herschmann, Vice Chairman, President and COO; and Rick Marshall, Senior Vice
President and CFO.
The release we issued and the presentation that accompanies this mornings call can be found on the
investor relations sections of ETE and Southern Unions website.
And before we start, I would like to call your attention to the forward-looking statements
disclaimer, risk factors and additional information related to documents containing important
information to be filed with the SEC.
With that out of the way, I would like to now turn it over to Kelcy Warren.
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
Thank you, Martin. First of all, let me start by saying how excited I am personally that we are
announcing this merger agreement. We have known the Southern Union people for a long time, George,
Eric and others. We have had a very good relationship and we have felt that their assets were
extremely complementary to our assets.
We are now the largest natural gas pipeline company in the United States. We are very proud of this
fact; however, it is not nearly as important as the other couple of statistics I will announce. We
are also the largest pipeline company in the United States as it relates to volume moved.
And then finally, there is another very important fact that I would like to focus on and that is
margin. One of the things that ETP which is an operating limited partnership of Energy Transfer
Equity, one of the challenges it has had is that we have had basis contractions. The margin that is
paid to move gas from one point to another point has
contracted dramatically. One reason for that is of course we have built pipelines from supply long
basins into other areas which would have more transportation hydraulic flexibility and over time
those areas have actually been congested as well. So we are going from one supply glutted area to
another supply glutted area.
If you will direct your attention to the map on the investor presentation on page three, I would
like to talk from this map.
If you look at the complement of these assets, it is very important the energy transfer has more
access to most of the shale plays than any other pipeline company in the United States. Were proud
of that fact. We are not involved in the Marcellus today but we will be over time.
But if you look at the Barnett shale, the Haynesville shale, the Eagle Ford shale, all the Permian
Basin shales, the Bossier shales, we take probably more volume out of those shale plays than any
other pipeline. If you look at the Southern Union assets, you will see that Southern Union goes
from those supply hubs in many instances, they go from those supply hubs to many market consuming
hubs. That is a big thing because what has happened to us is we have been very vulnerable at ETP to
basis contractions and this is going to at least reduce that vulnerability.
Also there are is seasonality as everybody knows in the nation from time to time and getting to
other market consuming regions of the United States is a very good thing for a pipeline company to
do.
Recently Energy Transfer Partners announced the acquisition of an asset from Louis Dreyfus. That
asset is a natural gas liquids pipeline that moves natural gas liquids from the Permian Basin to
the Gulf Coast. We have also recently announced expansion of that facility by adding fractionation
and weve also stated our desire to expand our capacity into West Texas which we believe West Texas
is perilously close to having a real problem for NGL takeaway capacity.
We believe this merger with Energy Transfer Equity and Southern Union will allow us to achieve all
of our goals as relation to that asset. I would like to say that we know that Southern Union knows
these assets, this acquisition we made that we made of Louis Dreyfus that we now call Lone Star
and I think they agree I think the management agrees with us this is a very, very complementary
acquisition.
But finally in conclusion before I hand it over to Martin Salinas, I would like to say I have spent
my career being very envious of entities that had drop-down capabilities to feed their MLPs. Those
of you who know the MLP world, you know that there are a few of those. It is a very great story. It
is something again Ive been very envious of.
We now have the capability to do that and I expect over time we will see Energy Transfer Equity
probably dropping down some of these assets out of Energy Transfer into Energy Transfer Partners.
With that, I will hand it over to Martin Salinas, our Chief Financial Officer.
Martin Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Great, thanks Kelcy. We will now pick up on slide four, and I want to talk a little bit about the
terms of the transaction. ETE will acquire all of the outstanding common stock of Southern Union
for newly issued ETE Series B units which will be registered and are expected to be listed for
trading on the New York Stock Exchange. The implied value of a Southern Union shareholder or to
a Southern Union shareholder is $33 per share which represents an approximate 70% premium to
Southern Unions closing share price as of yesterday. And when you compare it on an average price
on a year-to-date basis, that approximates 18%.
The transaction is structured to provide tax deferral and meaningful flexibility for Southern Union
shareholders while also providing ETE with the optionality and flexibility to pursue drop-down
opportunities over time, as Kelcy mentioned.
I would now like and I will let Eric walk through the various mechanisms of the Series B units
and exchange options for Southern Union shareholders here in a few minutes.
As it relates to value, the total transaction is $7.9 billion which includes the issuance of the
$4.2 billion of ETE Series B units and $3.7 billion of existing Southern Union debt. And from an
approval process perspective, both Boards have unanimously approved the merger and we will seek
Southern Union shareholder and regulatory approvals including PUCs, FERC and HSR. And from ETEs
perspective, a unitholder approval is not required to move forward with the transaction.
As it relates to timing, we dont expect any regulatory issues and therefore expect to close by the
first quarter of 2012.
And on slide five from a strategic perspective, a rationale for ETE, and as Kelcy mentioned, this
deal is definitely transformational for ETE. The transaction is not only immediately accretive to
distributable cash flow at ETP but also diversifies ETEs distributable cash flow with yet another
investment-grade source.
Further, the Southern Union assets are highly complementary to ours so we will gain increased size,
scale and financial resources to enhance our overall geographic diversity while adding to our long
list of organic growth opportunities. By adding Southern Unions assets to ETEs existing
portfolio, we will be able to further enhance our ability to serve our customers with a
comprehensive interstate and midstream platform across major gas markets in the United States.
We also expect to realize tangible immediate synergies that will create further value for our ETE
unitholders. Likewise, the prospect of drop-downs and joint ventures with ETP and Regency will
provide further value to the group as a whole.
Turning to slide six and looking at pro forma cash flow, you will see that the greater operational
and geographic diversity from this transaction enhances our cash flow by providing another
investment-grade cash flow source to ETE in addition to what ETE is already receiving from ETP and
Regency.
And from a qualitative perspective, approximately 77% of Southern Unions EBITDA comes from the
interstate pipelines and storage facilities operating primarily under long-term fee-based contracts
with high quality credit customers. For instance, the average remaining life on Southern Unions
50% ownership in FGTs Phase VIII project from the Mobile Bay Alabama area to Southern Florida is
approximately 25 years and its trunkline LNG import terminal in South Louisiana is approximately 20
years. This cash flow profile complements ETEs existing cash flow sources of ETP and Regency which
both generate the majority of their cash flows under fee-based contract structures.
I would also remind you that ETP and Regencys percentage of fee-based cash flows will continue to
increase as recently completed and soon to be completed projects provide additional cash flows from
fee-based contracts.
So pro forma for 2011, we expect ETEs consolidated adjusted EBITDA from investment-grade entities
will increase from 80% to 86% with this acquisition. This represents both improved credit quality
and diversification.
With that, Ill now turn it over to Eric Herschmann who will provide the Southern Union
perspective.
Eric Herschmann - Southern Union Company Vice Chair, President and COO
Thank you, Martin. First let me say that I share ETEs excitement about todays announcement. We
believe that this is a great opportunity for Southern Union shareholders, which was unanimously
approved by our Board of Directors.
For Southern Union shareholders, this deal offers a material financial benefit in the form of a 17%
premium to our trading price at yesterdays close that is also an 18% premium to Southern Unions
average trading price year-to-date. In addition, Southern Union shareholders will see a fourfold
increase in their annual cash return since the yield on the Series B is 8.25% versus our current
Southern Union dividend yield of about 2%.
If you look at slide seven, you will see our rationale and on slide eight, the overview of the
Series B units.
In addition to what I have said already, the potential for conversion into ETE and ETP units
provides opportunity for attractive upside for Southern Union shareholders based on investor
objectives. ETP offers an attractive yield and growth from an investment-grade company with
significant liquidity while ETE offers a lower yield but with higher growth and is more
supercharged investment alternative.
But overall this deal marries Southern Unions market driven end-user markets with Energy Transfer
System close to major natural gas producing basins. So on that basis, the Lindemann family and I
representing approximately 17 million shares excluding our stock options have signed support
agreements to vote in favor of this deal and expect to be committed long-term ETE unitholders.
If you turn to slide eight and slide nine, you will see on the next two slides going to provide an
overview of the Series B units and walk you through the various conversion redemption options for
Southern Union shareholders which we believe offer attractive incremental upsides.
First, the units will be registered and are expected to be listed for trading on the New York Stock
Exchange and will be redeemable at any time by ETE for cash and an implied value of $33 per former
Southern Union share. If a Series B unitholder does not want cash at that time, the holder may
convert into ETP units at a fixed value equal to $33 per Series B unit. At any time after the first
anniversary including on a redemption event, Series B holders may alternatively convert into ETE
common units at the 0.770x exchange ratio.
We believe this gives our shareholders various options to maintain either holding a Series B unit,
to potentially take cash, to convert into at certain times ETP, and also the opportunity to convert
into ETE.
If you look at slide nine which is the Series B unit decision tree, holders of the Series B units
will receive an annualized cash yield of not less than 8.25% payable quarterly based on the implied
value of $33 per former Southern Union share. This represents as I said previously a significant
increase relative to Southern Unions current annualized dividend yield of 2%.
Moreover, after year three, a Series B unitholder will receive the greater of 8.25% or 750 basis
points over LIBOR. In our view, the economic accretion to ETE from this transaction means that to
many of our shareholders the right to convert into ETE common units after the first anniversary of
closing should be very attractive.
In summary, we believe that this deal provides attractive options for Southern Union shareholders
both over the short-term and the long-term as well as significant benefits to end-use customers.
We also will benefit, as Kelcy mentioned, becoming part of a much larger and much more diversified
platform with a management team that we now and knows us very well and has a proven track record of
increasing unitholder value.
With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Martin.
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Thanks, Eric. Now looking at slide 10, you will see how bringing together our complementary
businesses create one if not the best positioned players in the US natural gas market. For those
less familiar with our structure, ETE which owns a general partner of ETP and approximately 50.2
million ETP limited partner units and owns the general partner of Regency Energy Partners and
approximately 26.3 million Regency limited partner units will now also own all of the outstanding
common stock of Southern Union. Together these three commonly controlled segments comprise a true
natural gas major in the US and that platform is certainly poised for further growth for many years
to come.
Looking at slide 11 and drilling down deeper into the expected synergies from this transaction, you
will see that we have identified approximately $100 million in potential yearly commercial and
operational synergies. We expect an estimated $25 million to come from primarily corporate overhead
rationalizations, elimination of certain public company expenses, real estate consolidation, and
other cost initiatives.
In addition, we have also identified an estimated $75 million in synergies through commercial and
operational initiatives, something that we know we can do with having Southern Unions assets under
our control and we expect more than $25 million in one-time savings related to CapEx avoidances and
the utilization of existing right of way. Importantly, these projected synergies exclude any
savings from Southern Unions gas LDCs.
Now on slide 12, at ETE, we certainly pride ourselves in our ability to integrate assets and
businesses including most recently the Louis Dreyfus Energy acquisition in 2011 and Regencys
acquisition in 2010. We are also very familiar with Southern Unions assets and I would remind you
that many of our employees who currently work in our existing interstate operations once worked at
Southern Union prior to ETP acquiring Transwestern in late 2006. This further bolsters our ability
to integrate Southern Unions operations in a seamless manner.
We have already established an integration team and will bring together people from both sides in
the spirit of working together and being able to realize these synergies immediately after closing.
We are also very focused on enhancing Southern Unions liquidity and credit profile and so we will
work with Rick Marshall and his team on refinancing debt maturing over the next couple of years.
On 11, and we will talk a little bit about the timeline, this shows a simplified timeline from the
integration and transaction approval process which as I mentioned earlier, we expect to take into
the first quarter of 2012.
And lastly, and in summary on slide 15, I would just like to reemphasize the positives of this
transaction that you have not only heard from Kelcy but Eric as well and highlight the larger,
stronger and more diversified ETE todays announcement will create. Simply put, the Energy Transfer
Group will be in a better position to support both the existing and emerging natural gas basins in
the United States and provide a comprehensive suite of offerings and services to our customers be
it gathering, processing, fractionation, storage or transportation.
We have enhanced our growth opportunities supported by a proven track record of project management
and cost oversight with $1.5 billion and growing of growth projects to be built in key producing
regions. Our financial position will remain strong with more stable cash flows, a solid liquidity
position, a high-quality base of long-term customers and continued flexibility to raise capital
while keeping our commitment to maintaining and achieving as it relates to Regency investment grade
credit metrics.
And lastly and as shown on slide 15, ETE and ETP unitholders have experienced very attractive total
returns and we firmly believe this transaction will provide both immediate value for Southern Union
shareholders and value creation for the Energy Transfer Group over not only the short but also the
long-term.
With that, that concludes our formal presentation. Keisha, lets now go into questions please.
Thank you.
QUESTION AND ANSWER
Operator
(Operator Instructions). Gabe Moreen, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Gabe Moreen - BofA Merrill Lynch Analyst
Good morning everyone and congratulations to all parties involved. A couple of questions:
First I guess in terms of from the ETE perspective in buying these assets, is there a cost basis
step up to market so that there wouldnt be any tax leakage upon drop-downs if they were to occur?
And I guess related to that, I know that Southern Union in their guidance had put out I think a
pretty minimal level of cash taxes they expect to pay at the corporate level. Will that still hold
true once these assets are at ETE?
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Yes, Gabe, this is Martin. I will answer the first one and then hand it over to Rick to answer the
second question. As it relates to the first question, the initial transaction was structured to be
tax efficient. With respect to potential drop downs occurring, we would potentially see some tax
leakage. We are currently evaluating that process and will certainly look at minimizing any tax
leakage from the drop downs but you did hit on that it would potentially be some of that. And of
course that will be factored into how we structure the drop downs. On the second part, Rick?
Rick Marshall - Southern Union Company SVP and CFO
Yes, we typically have not provided guidance with respect to years beyond the current year as I
think you alluded to in 2011, our expectation was that there would not be any cash taxes in 2011. I
am hesitant to say much more than that although one can certainly look to the level of CapEx that
the company has typically had, the bonus depreciation rules and come to a conclusion that taxes
going forward would not be significantly greater than the 2011 levels.
Gabe Moreen - BofA Merrill Lynch Analyst
Okay. And then in terms of maintenance CapEx and the relative I guess spend on maintenance CapEx
lets say as a percentage of EBITDA between Southern Union and ETPs asset basis, it seems a lot
higher at Southern Union at about 30% of EBITDA again just for 2011. You know and in terms of those
synergies as asset optimization, just wondering if that is a maintenance CapEx level we should sort
of hold going forward or if there is anything there in terms of running the assets differently or
something in 2011 making that number be a little bit higher?
Rick Marshall - Southern Union Company SVP and CFO
From Southern Unions perspective again, we dont give guidance into 2012 but if you look at it
historically, our maintenance CapEx numbers have been pretty consistent with relatively
consistent with what you have seen in 2011.
Gabe Moreen - BofA Merrill Lynch Analyst
And then one final question if I could on the mechanics around the [Series B] and I will jump back
in the queue. In terms of the Class Bs, a, are those K-1 generating units upon issuance like a
regular MLP unit? And then also in terms of if ETE elects to either in the first year convert those
into cash or redeem them for cash or convert them into (inaudible) [E] units, on a partial basis,
how is that going to work? Would that be sort of a tender offer or would they be prorated in terms
of that conversion? Just trying to get some thought on that.
Martin Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Yes, Gage, again this is Martin. They will be K-1 issued to Series B units so they will be treated
as a partnership unit.
With respect to the second one, given ETE distributes all its cash today and maintains that 1.0
coverage ratio, what we would likely expect to happen is drop downs occurring at the ETP Regency
level would provide the cash needed to fund the redemption of the Series B units. Upon redemption,
the Series B unitholder would have the ability to take cash or elect to take ETP units at the
Series B unitholders option and that would be on a pro rata basis.
Gabe Moreen - BofA Merrill Lynch Analyst
Thanks, Martin. Thanks, everyone.
Operator
Darren Horowitz, Raymond James.
Darren Horowitz - Raymond James Analyst
Yes, good morning guys and also add to the comments congratulations to all parties involved on the
announcement of the transaction.
Kelcy, I have got just a couple of questions for you and the first kind of goes back to the initial
point that you made about expanding capacity in West Texas for the NGL business. When you consider
the Louis Dreyfus asset footprint and the expansions that you have got you guys have announced and
you overlay Southern Unions GNP footprint with 5500 miles of gathering pipe and five cryo plants
and also the trunkline pipe and expansion, you basically have more of a fully integrated system
with excellent downstream connectivity.
So can you just give us some insight as to how you see that asset footprint continuing to evolve
say over the next five years and ultimately how big of a driver of cash flow do you think that is
going to be for the consolidated entity?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
You bet. Darren, first of all as you know, I think you know what probably a lot of people on
this call dont know this. What is going on right now in the Permian Basin and Southeastern New
Mexico is pretty mind-boggling. I think everybody knows there has been a huge decoupling between
the price of crude and of course NGL values track crude now and they dont track natural gas prices
and in fact the value of natural gas which has been depressed for quite a period of time and I
personally believe will stay relatively low compared to NGL value.
Consequently, we are seeing the rig counts increase dramatically in that part of the country.
Therefore we are seeing more NGLs produced. The problem is, Darren, as you know, there is no
takeaway capacity. I mean it is very limited, the Lone Star NGL which is the former Louis Dreyfus
is near capacity. We can add a little bit of capacity relatively inefficiently by adding pumps but
also the other NGL takeaway parties are full or very near their capacity now.
And so I personally see a train wreck coming where somebody doesnt build more takeaway capacity
from that region very soon, there is going to be a problem and we are committed to doing that. As
you know, there is competitors that are kind of announcing their pipelines which is kind of
humorous to me but they may be successful but not to our failure.
I will tell you that this acquisition pushes us really where I want to be. And so I think to
finally to answer your question, I see between the Southern Union assets from the former
acquisition of the Sid Richardson Company and our Lone Star NGL pipeline, I see a huge complement
to the ETE shareholders over time, a huge compliment.
Darren Horowitz - Raymond James Analyst
I appreciate the color. Kelcy, if I could, just one more quick question on the contract mix.
When you look at the Southern Union G&P mix, it is about 68% of proceeds which dovetails nicely
with the Lone Star assets which I think are about also percent of proceeds about 60% on volumes.
But the remaining sub G&P contract mix is about 32% fee-based and I think that you guys at Lone
Star have about 40% keep whole.
So on a pro forma basis when you are looking at the consolidated asset suite, does the contract mix
change going forward for you? Do you want to mitigate more of that keep whole risk and become more
call it fee plus conditioning or how do you see the pro forma contract mix 12 to 18 months from
now?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
Darren, as you know, we have had very little exposure to commodity prices which I got to tell you
in our case has been a negative. Everybody wants you to say that youve got no exposure to
commodity prices. Everything is demand fee. Yes, that is great until you see natural gas go to $12
and NGLs follow crude.
And so we have not experienced the benefit that our peer group has experienced in this period of
time. When we study what Southern Union has done, they have done a remarkable job of hedging over
the period of time that they have owned these assets. Of course, we will continue that strategy but
I think slightly different.
I think when you buy a contract that is POP, what you really want to know is you are buying it on a
cash flow where gas prices are depressed the way they are today. Again, I am not bullish on natural
gas prices. I hate to say that. I wish I were but for the short-term, next two to three years, I am
not.
We think our contract mix is going to be so if you look at ETP which as you know is the primary
operating limited partnership under ETE, we have almost no commodity exposure. So as a percentage
if we did nothing if we just continued to operate the way the respective assets are operated, the
amount of commodity exposure that we have at ETP is very, very small.
Darren Horowitz - Raymond James Analyst
I appreciate it, Kelcy. Thank you.
Operator
Stephen Maresca, Morgan Stanley.
Stephen Maresca - Morgan Stanley Analyst
Good morning everybody and congrats to all as well. A couple of questions if I may: The first thing
is Kelcy, you talked about being a little bit envious of the drop-down stories historically in MLP
land and this really sets you up extremely well for that. You also mentioned seeing some of those
assets migrate into ETP over time.
And if you can just maybe give a little color as to how you think about what or how goes into ETP
versus Regency you know over the next two to three years and how you make that decision I guess?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
You bet. And knowing us the way you do, you know we dont believe in growing to be growing even
though that is what the MLP model might suggest you do. You have watched us over the years. If
something is not hydraulically complementary to our other businesses, then we dont do it. And so I
guess you could draw the conclusion from that that to the extent that there are drop downs they
will be complementary in nature. In other words, there will be one plus one conclusion equals more
than two. That you can be confident of.
Also you know you mentioned Regency, it is a good point. We own the general partners of the two
MLPs of course ETP being the largest and probably the more capable to digest drop downs. But also
Regency has a great deal of capability as well. Regency is well on their way we believe to become
an investment-grade entity and there might in fact be some consideration there as it relates to a
drop down.
Stephen Maresca - Morgan Stanley Analyst
Okay, I appreciate that very much. The second thing, now you have assets at ETE. Before it was very
light holding company and cash flow you know just really free cash flow. How do you think about
CapEx now that you have these great assets up there in the sense that there is growth associated
with them? And does ETE become more of a
quote, unquote, regular MLP in terms of looking to the markets to fund growth CapEx and how we
think about other MLPs out there?
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Stephen, this is Martin. I will take that one. As it relates to growth, I mean we will continue to
support Southern Union and its continued growth obviously coupled with ETP and Regency. What I
would say there is we are going to show the same financial discipline with respect to that growth.
We will look at what is going to provide our unitholders the most value and most return while also
making sense on the map through integrating existing pipeline with future pipeline projects. And we
are going to made the right decisions on that. If that means additional equity at ETE to fund
transactions down at Southern Union, that is what we will do and so I think your answer is yes for
the right projects.
Stephen Maresca - Morgan Stanley Analyst
Okay. And then my final question, thanks for that as well. Do you anticipate having to sell any
assets and I guess I am specifically talking about the local distribution company that is at
Southern Union?
Kelcy
Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
You know, no, on the answer on having to sell anything. There are certain assets that we might
consider selling but there are many considerations of that and one is I think the question was
asked earlier maybe by Gabe concerning the tax efficiency of such conduct.
So at this time no, we are not thinking that way. We are thinking more along a drop-down strategy
and also as you know, the LDC business is nonqualifying income for an MLP but that does not mean
that we would not be a long-term holder of that asset.
Stephen Maresca - Morgan Stanley Analyst
Okay, thanks a lot, everybody and congrats again.
Operator
Steven Karpel, Credit Suisse.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse Analyst
Good morning. First off, you kind of alluded to this a bit in the release and in your comments,
what has been the discussions with the rating agencies and can you talk specifically on how they
view the special unit interest in terms of a debt versus equity split?
Martin Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Yes, we certainly spend a lot of time this is Martin Salinas we spend a lot of time with the
rating agencies. As we commented in the press release and also in the prepared remarks, we are
committed to maintaining our investment grade credit metrics the dialogue with the agencies spend
it over several weeks and quite a bit of dialogue. As we appreciated and as each of the agencies
have their respective treatment of these hybrid securities if you will, they looked at it and gave
some percentage equity treatment given the terms.
But I think that at the most a 50% I think one may have given 25% and that was viewed in context
with the overall business transaction, the asset integration as well as the cash flow impact. So
all that was taken into consideration and certainly would not have moved forward with the
transaction without the responses from the agencies being such to keep our investment grade credit
metrics.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse Analyst
So can you talk about what the thought was with ETE so ETE has got obviously will have
significantly more scale now at this point. In the release you mentioned everybody else but ETE as
an investment-grade entity. What are your thoughts of ultimately making ETE investment-grade as
well?
Martin Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Yes, that one, given ETE and where it sits within the structure and I think kind of almost consider
it as a holding company given that there are not direct assets held by ETE other than I guess with
this transaction, Southern Union would be a wholly-owned subsidiary, we feel it is more important
at this point to maintain the investment grade credit metrics at Southern Union at ETP also
continue the commitment of getting Regency up into the investment-grade category. And let that fall
where it may and given at least over the near term and certainly the long term, no additional
funding requirement at ETE feel like that is the best approach today.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse Analyst
All right, and then finally on the bond side, is how does this trigger in terms of change of
control? I think you have maybe one or two bonds that has a change of control in it at the sub
level and has some call features. Can you talk specifically about one, the change of control? And
then two, on debt that is callable or that you would take out as part of the refinancing?
Rick Marshall - Southern Union Company SVP and CFO
This is Rick Marshall. You know, most of the change of control features in the Southern Union and
Panhandle well, Southern Union indentures have dual triggers. So its change of control and a
downgrade by the agencies. So with respect to most of our debt, we dont see any issues in
connection with this transaction to the extent that we maintain the investment grade rating at
Southern Union Company.
As far as there are some minor issues with some of our term loans that upon change of control,
there might be an interest step-up. However, those are the loans that we expect to take out in
short order sometime before the end of this year. So we dont view this as an issue.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse Analyst
That includes I might be stating this wrong, but I think it is the 2066 bonds that had
maybe a step-up and a change of control language in them; same thing with those? Same issue meaning
there would be kind of a non-item there?
Rick Marshall - Southern Union Company SVP and CFO
I would have to look into that a little closer. I dont think that that is an issue.
Steven Karpel - Credit Suisse Analyst
Okay. Thank you, gentlemen, appreciate it.
Operator
Carl Kirst, BMO Capital.
Carl Kirst - BMO Capital Markets Analyst
Thanks. Good morning, everybody, and congratulations as well. Some of my questions have been hit
here, but let me just a couple of others if I could. You know, maybe just by way of a little bit of
background, I assume this was a negotiated deal. But I was just curious who approached whom and
then perhaps how long this has been in the works, if possible?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
Yes, this is Kelcy. I think George and I were talking about this yesterday. I think this goes
back maybe seven or eight years that I was fortunate enough to meet George. We have talked for
years about the hydraulic logic of putting assets together, and it just did not make sense before.
It did lead to a wonderful transaction, though, at some point. I was talking to Eric and George a
few years ago, probably 2007 and 06, and that led to the acquisition of Transwestern.
So this has been consistent dialog for years. And then just recently we got together, I think as
everybody knows, it is an ETE unitholder or ETP or Regency. We have tried very hard to do
acquisitions combined with internal growth. We have been long internal growth and short M&A of
late, and fortunately for us, this opportunity worked out.
Carl Kirst - BMO Capital Markets Analyst
Great. Two other questions if I could. One, just kind of dot the i and cross the t here; is there a
breakup fee we should be aware of? And then as a just sort of secondary question and I am just
curious from a Southern Union standpoint, kind of just given the relative size of that entity, a
wildcard we have been all looking at has been of course the LNG export potential with BG. And I am
just curious if any option value was paid for that in your guys minds.
Eric Herschmann - Southern Union Company Vice Chair, President and COO
Carl, its Eric. Let me address the breakup fee. There are certain termination provisions in place.
We are subject to a breakup fee at 2.25% during the first 40 days after the date of the merger
agreement and 3.25% and that is only of equity value after that. And then there is a maximum
reimbursement of up to $12.5 million of transaction costs.
So in our view and in the view of the independent directors with their council and their advisers
that that was a more than reasonable provision. And as far as the potential export as you know we
have been discussing it lately, there is not a lot we can discuss currently because of certain
confidentiality agreements but we believe it is something that will continue to be pursued as
vigorously as when Southern Union was the sole owner.
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
And as it relates to was there value given there, absolutely. You know when you look at the value
chain that you have paid for an asset if you are us at least and by the way I am the largest
owner of ETE you look at first of all the demand fees and the guaranteed throughput volumes and
then you work your way all the way through the more commodity sensitive cash flows. And then you
finally get to the prospective projects. And of course you never give as much value to those as you
would to the ones that are up in the food chain. However, we like the project and we did give it
some value, yes.
Carl Kirst - BMO Capital Markets Analyst
I appreciate the color. Thanks, guys.
Operator
Harry Mateer, Barclays Capital.
Harry Mateer - Barclays Capital Analyst
Hi guys. I dont want to belabor the point but can you just talk about the ratings at Southern
Union? You currently have ratings from three agencies. Do you expect to continue maintaining and
paying for agencies for ratings at all three?
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
This is Martin. Yes, I mean that is important to us. We have learned particularly over the last
couple of years, access to capital is critical. Having that investment grade status I think across
all the entities ETP and Southern Union gave us that access. So definitely given the world we
live in and the volatility, absolutely.
Harry Mateer - Barclays Capital Analyst
Okay. And then with respect to the hybrids again, I know Southern Union had been expecting to
extend them because they put some interest rate swaps in place. But can you just comment when you
were doing your planning around this, is your thought process consistent and you expect to extend
these as floating-rate instruments beginning in November or is there a possibility that those
hybrids might be refinanced?
Rick Marshall - Southern Union Company SVP and CFO
Well first of all, Southern Union this is Rick Marshall. Southern Union has entered into forward
starting swaps with respect to a large percentage, 525 million I believe of those securities. And
it is a combination of five-year and 10-year with mostly 10-years swaps. So our intention was to
keep them outstanding and swap to a fixed rate.
Harry Mateer - Barclays Capital Analyst
Okay and is that, Martin, is that still your thought process pro forma for this transaction?
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Yes, it is, Harry. And again some of that we will continue to evaluate between now and closing and
certainly after as just what that may allow in terms of refinancing as part of the drop downs and
the use of proceeds to ensure not only that we maintain the investment-grade credit metrics at the
entities but also look at exercising our being ETEs option to redeem Series B units for cash.
Harry Mateer - Barclays Capital Analyst
Very helpful. Thanks guys.
Operator
Bradley Olsen, Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co.
Bradley Olsen - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Analyst
Good morning guys and congratulations on the deal. A question about how you think about ETEs
payout ratio going forward. You are in kind of a unique situation where you are holding operating
assets and financial assets and per your comments earlier, it sounds like some of those operating
assets are actually going to end up at either ETP or Regency.
In light of that, how do you think about what you would be willing to pay out in an ETE
distribution from the assets you have acquired from Southern Union?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
This is Kelcy. We have had a policy at ETE, as you know, it has been a pass-through vehicle so
therefore we have had a policy of maintaining a one coverage ratio. That has changed as a result of
this transaction. That would not be a prudent thing to do.
However, if you look at the assets that will most likely continue to reside at ETE, well, if you
look at it from my perspective, I think that that coverage ratio will not go up very much. It will
certainly be less than 1.1 probably closer to 1.05 over time. That is after we obviously after we
consider drop downs.
Bradley Olsen - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Analyst
Okay. Thank you. And as far as, Kelcy, you mentioned earlier on the call that this transaction
reduces your basis of vulnerability and I guess I was just going to get a little bit more color on
that. When you say that it reduces your exposure to basis, are you just saying purely by the nature
of the kind of diversification effect of this transaction or is it something that do you
actually see maybe interconnects with longer haul pipelines to demand centers as actually changing
the margins that you are able to charge or your ability to contract maybe spare capacity on your
intrastate system?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
Yes, first of all, I know you guys at Tudor Pickering very well and I know you know what I am about
to say. You know, we sold a great deal of capacity from the Barnett shale to Perryville, Louisiana.
Well as you know and I know, there is nobody burning gas at Perryville, Louisiana. So what has
happened is now we just moved the glut and it is now located at that point.
So the capacity we did not sell that we sell interruptible which is pretty much the way all
pipelines work, you will sell as much firm as you can and then you sell a small piece interruptible
if you are so lucky. There is just no basis and it has just been painful for several quarters now.
What I really meant by that is having better access to the market where we can actually provide
more services for our producers. Up to now Energy Transfer primarily our producers have been the
producer of natural gas. We are now shifting into more of a nice mix where our customers are the
market hubs as well as the supply hub. So it is really offering more services and therefore
profiting from that service providing.
Bradley Olsen - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Analyst
Okay, thanks. And just one more kind of bookkeeping question. Florida Gas is kind of just
concluded a large expansion in Phase VIII kind of a $2.5 billion expansion. During that expansion
it is my understanding that Florida Gas of which Southern Union owns 50% didnt really pay out a
dividend. And do you guys have any insight into
what that payout ratio goes to? I think $90 million was kind of the rough ballpark free cash flow
from the 50% interest of FGT in Southern Unions latest guidance presentation.
Do you guys see that as something that you can kind of pay out all $90 million of that from ETE or
what?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
As you know, there is a partner in Florida Gas Transmission and I do not feel really
comfortable answering that at this time.
Eric Herschmann - Southern Union Company Vice Chair, President and COO
What I will say is our plan is to reinstitute dividends on a go-forward basis now that the Phase
VIII is in service. So the level of those dividends obviously depends on the agreement by the
partners but our plan over time is to pay out a dividend at least equal to net income.
Bradley Olsen - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Analyst
Great. Thanks a lot, guys.
Operator
Vivek Pal, Knight Capital.
Vivek Pal - Knight Capital Analyst
Yes, good morning guys. Most of my questions have been answered but I was just curious as you drop
down assets into the MLPs, how we are to retain investment-grade rating at SUG? I mean you have got
three issues outstanding at the holding level. You probably have to take them out over time right
before the maturity is due in order to maintain the investment grade rating to use the proceeds
from asset sales?
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
This is Martin. Again, when you look at the maturity profile of Southern Union, there is I want
to say maybe a little less than $2 billion of debt that comes due in 2012 and 2013. And so as we
move forward with the potential for the drop downs and the use of cash from those drop downs by
ETE, it would be a combination of debt repayment plus a redemption of the Series B units in such a
manner that maintains the investment-grade credit metrics at Southern Union while also redeeming
the Series B units for cash. And then that also from a friction cost perspective allows us to do it
in as efficient manner as possible.
Vivek Pal - Knight Capital Analyst
But youre holding debt is not maturing any time soon. I mean you have got the hybrids in 66 and
the 8.25%, the 29, 760 is 24. So the whole the other debt is associated with that are the
pipeline assets right? So how are you going to balance that?
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
There is a $250 million term loan outstanding and there is a high percentage of the revolving
credit facilities that are outstanding so you know those are the type facilities we would look to
first and they are pre-payable without penalty.
Vivek Pal - Knight Capital Analyst
Okay. And at the same time you are buying these securities, so that means that in the next 12
months you will be selling at least $2 billion, $3 billion worth of assets, right? Or dropping down
that much in assets to the MLP.
Martin
Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. CFO
Again, those are things that we have not decided. I mean it does require special committees and
right now our focus is getting the transaction approved by shareholder as well as the regulatory
aspect of it.
Vivek Pal - Knight Capital Analyst
Okay. One last on the macro side. What is the need of having two MLPs? I mean [EPD] has been
rolling up the MLPs. Is that something that you intend to do over time or why wont you do it now
and just have one MLP buy all the assets?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
This is Kelcy. Yes, by the way I agree with you. I am not a big fan of owning multiple MLPs.
However, that was necessary to do the transaction. Sometimes the math just dictates how you
construct the deal. But I would agree with you. I think at some point we will certainly look at
consolidation and simplification of our holdings.
Vivek Pal - Knight Capital Analyst
All right. Kelcy, exactly. I mean right now you have got the scale and size to do it. Do you think
it happens in the next as a part of this transaction if it makes sense or is it a long-term?
Kelcy Warren - Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Chairman and CEO
I promise you if it makes sense from a math standpoint, we are all over it.
Vivek Pal - Knight Capital Analyst
All right. Thank you.
Operator
Michael Blum, Wells Fargo.
Michael Blum - Wells Fargo Securities Analyst
Actually my question was just answered. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. That concludes the Q&A session for today. I will now hand the conference back over
to Martin for any closing comments.
Martin Salinas - Energy Transfer Partners,L.P. CFO
Great. Thanks Keisha and again, thank you everyone on behalf of Energy Transfer and Southern Union.
We are very excited about what this transaction does for ET unitholders, SUG shareholders and of
course for our customers. We look forward to continuing discussions with you and have a great day.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you for your participation in todays conference. This concludes the presentation. You
may now disconnect your lines. Good day.
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Forward-Looking Statements
This transcript may include certain statements concerning expectations for the future,
including statements regarding the anticipated benefits and other aspects of the proposed
transaction, that are forward-looking statements as defined by federal law. Such forward-looking
statements are subject to a variety of known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors
that are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the control of the management teams of
the Partnership, Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. (ETP), Regency Energy Partners LP (RGNC) or
SUG. Among those is the risk that conditions to closing the transaction are not met or that the
anticipated benefits from the proposed transactions cannot be fully realized. An extensive list of
factors that can affect future results are discussed in the reports filed with the Securities and
Exchange Commission (the SEC) by the Partnership, ETP, RGNC and SUG. Neither the Partnership,
ETP, RGNC nor SUG undertakes any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement to
reflect new information or events.
Additional Information
In connection with the transaction, the Partnership and SUG will file a joint proxy statement
/ prospectus and other documents with the SEC. Investors and security holders are urged to
carefully read the definitive joint proxy statement / prospectus when it becomes available because
it will contain important information regarding the Partnership, SUG and the transaction.
A definitive joint proxy statement / prospectus will be sent to stockholders of SUG seeking
their approval of the transaction. Investors and security holders may obtain a free copy of the
definitive joint proxy statement / prospectus (when available) and other documents filed by the
Partnership and SUG with the SEC at the SECs website, www.sec.gov. The definitive joint proxy
statement / prospectus (when available) and such other documents relating to the Partnership may
also be obtained free of charge by directing a request to Energy Transfer Equity, L.P., Attn:
Investor Relations, 3738 Oak Lawn Avenue, Dallas, Texas 75219, or from the Partnerships website,
www.energytransfer.com. The definitive joint proxy statement / prospectus (when available) and such
other documents relating to SUG may also be obtained free of charge by directing a request to
Southern Union Company, Attn: Investor Relations, 5444 Westheimer Road, Houston, Texas 77056, or
from SUGs website, www.sug.com.
The Partnership, SUG and their respective directors and executive officers may, under the
rules of the SEC, be deemed to be participants in the solicitation of proxies in connection with
the proposed transaction. Information concerning the interests of the persons who may be
participants in the solicitation will be set forth in the joint proxy statement / prospectus when
it becomes available.